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The apostle Paul laid bare serious faults committed by genuinely saved people in the bible-believing church at Corinth. Even though their faith was not questioned but affirmed (I Corinthians 1:2-9) they were still not worshipping God as they ought.

It is not right for us to accept God’s salvation and then go off and ignore his instructions and do as we please. This includes Paul’s instructions to the church at Corinth. We read in I Corinthians 14:26-32 that a New Testament worship service does not consist of one man giving a lecture, even a biblically sound lecture.

Paul also says that anyone who does not accept these instructions is not spiritual (14:37).

Thus, the Christians in the church of Corinth were carnal Christians (3:1). They were truly saved, but walking as men, in disobedience to God’s holiness in their worship service.

I believe that the common practice of listening to the leader give a lecture is carnal.

This does not only apply to mega-churches where the pastor is wealthy and has achieved some sort of celebrity status. Even smaller, ordinary churches are still in open disobedience to what Paul, according to the Holy Spirit, has commanded.

You mention a couple of problems with the current practice: it opens up for heresies, and it’s dangerous for the pastor personally (especially true in the larger, more prosperous churches).

I would like to suggest a couple more problems.

For one thing, it quenches the Spirit (I Thessalonians 5:19). When one man does all of the talking, it prevents many others from contributing, as Paul directed. Even new Christians, if they speak only for a few minutes, have something to offer. Those who are not gifted with preaching would add to the service by talking briefly and simply about something God has done for them recently – a life lesson learned, an answer to prayer, a victory over some besetting sin, a new song that has been given them, or a psalm set to music – this would allow more aspects of the Christian life to be presented in a living and vital way, and be a much more convincing testimony to unbelievers.

As to those who have the gift and the calling for preaching, which is important and should play a vital role, Paul mentions two or three prophets speaking in turn. Assuming that prophecy means declaring the Word of God and not just foretelling the future, that would be preaching.

I have heard many sermons the essence of which could be expressed in ten or fifteen minutes. Two or three such messages on distinctly different subjects for variety, or on the same subject seen from different angles for confirmation, would greatly enrich the service – with all done decently and in good order.

This would involve male speakers only, according to 14:34-35 – “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”

Parenthetically, I believe the words “as also saith the law” refer to the Old Testament law that only males could be priests.

A second problem with the current practice is, that even in smaller churches where wealth and fame are not involved, the pastor speaking alone every Sunday as if he were the only one who had anything to contribute while everyone else had to listen in respectful silence does put him in a false position, be he never so sincere and never so humble.

A third problem is that it encourages spectator worship. We listen to the expert at a safe and detached distance – but if we are going to be expected to participate from time to time (and Paul envisioned smaller groups here in a more informal setting) it forces us to engage.

Fourthly, you quote Jesus’ saying

"But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."

Is Christ concerned only about the letters r-a-b-b-i here, or does this also apply to “Your holiness,” “the right reverent bishop,” or even “pastor” or “reverend”?

If I am visiting a church, why do I have to call the preacher “pastor”? He is not my pastor, and I am not a sheep of his flock. Aren’t we all brothers?

Ignoring I Corinthians 14:37 is one of the many serious problems in the church.

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Matthew 6: 5 Says: Don't stand praying in a synagogue (Gr. meaning gathering place); or on street corners to be seen of men, but when you pray enter into your closet(room) shut the door...and the Father which seeth in secret shall reward you openly. I have never joined a religious organization, but ask for guidance directly and I have seen miracles in my own life. I know that I am heard.

I am totally into the Creator...and ask for guidance in everything I do. I asked for guidance, when I read the Bible as to its validity, which is far from 100%. Look at the names of the disciples..two were given King James name in the 1600s, when his vanity piece the King James Bible was written. Most of the other names of the disciples were not Hebrew either. The 1800 page KJB was written over 400 years ago by a group of men who were not that astute Truth is simple and if was buried in a massive amount of rhetoric.

Where did the Gutenberg Bible stem from in the 1450s. the first book off the printing press? It came with the authorization and blessings of the Roman Catholic Church, which was set up in 325 AD by the Emperor Constantine. I read all about the Emperor Constantine, he was as evil as Nero. He set up the Christian church to fill his treasuries..when he met with rulers from Greece and the Byzantine in 325 AD. The Roman Catholic Church he formed has continued down through the centuries with all kinds of corrupt popes...winding up in the Vatican...the richest little municipality in the world. The pure message did not deal with the collection of money. Matthew 10: The Messiah told his disciples to only take the clothes they were wearing and spread the Gospel...which was based on The Lord's prayer Matthew 6. He did not tell them to collect money and start a church. King James hired 50 nobles and some members of the clergy to work on a Bible for 8 years (1603-1611) adding 500 pages. My brother is a Born Again who says every single word in the Bible is divine. Well, i read about ll the men who worked on the King James Bible...they weren't so divine. Most religions are the same promoted by people who are into making money. It is the way of the world.

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